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    CPU or Video Card limited ? What to upgrade first?


     
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    PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: CPU or Video Card limited ? What to upgrade first? Reply with quote

    Hi,

    my current setup is working OK with FS2004 but could be faster. I ran FSX demo with high quality graphics and the framerate fell to 10-12fps.

    Now I am wondering wether an upgrading the video card will help get more decent performance, or if I am limited by the CPU at this point.

    If a video card upgrade can be performed for a reasonable cost (less than $140) I may go that route and extend the life of my system by an other year.

    If not, I may just have to wait and get a build a new system next spring.
    I typically run the screen at 1024x768 resolution.

    Anyway, here are the system specs, let me know what you think:

    CPU AMD Athlon XP 2800+
    Memory 1GB DDR400 PC3200
    Video Card ATI 9600XT (128MB)

    The video card upgrade I am loking at could include:
    - ATI 9800 Pro or XT
    - Nvidia 6600GT
    - ATI Radeon X1600 / X1650
    - ATI X800GTO
    - Nvidia 7600GS

    Thank you,
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    PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Hi Remyx,

    I would not upgrade to a more powerful GFX card whilst retaining the same CPU for fear I might be creating a bottleneck - meaning that possibly my old CPU will not be able to do a more powerful GFX justice.

    Instead, seeing that you're prepared to indulge in a new system in spring anyway, I would pick up another GB of RAM to make it a total of 2GB.
    It should improve your FPS as well.
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    PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Thanks, I thought about adding RAM too.

    However on my current motherboard, I'd loose dual channel if I add one more memory module.

    So I could add a 512MB for not too much money, loosing dual channel in the process.

    Or I could replace my existing 2 x 512MB with 2 x 1GB. This would save dual channel, for about $300. I'd say it's too much for for this system (and for new memory that I couldn't reuse in a new system - DDR vs DDR2).

    Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    If you don't plan to get Vista(Cause of DX10 which needs New GFX's technology) then go for a new card.You will notice differences in your system's perfromance.
    Adding more RAM would help more.Nvidia 6600GT is a fine and value for money solution Wink





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    PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Thanks for the input.

    Since the last post, I actually got few things done.
    - added 512MB, to reach 1.5GB total
    - replaced 9600XT with 9800Pro
    - overclocked CPU a bit more

    I can't say adding RAM produce a noticeable difference. At least not in the FSX demo.
    Then I put the new video card, with certainly improved FPS quite significantly.
    I managed to squeeze an other 5% overclock, can't hurt either.

    I think I'm done for now. This should help me for the next 6 to 10 months, then a new system will be in order, for Vista, DX10 and all the new stuff.

    Thanks again for the info.
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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Glad to hear you've got it sorted out. Looking forward to hear about your new system when the time comes. Very Happy
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    PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Additional Info - CPU limited Reply with quote

    Since the last post O got my hands on a new video card: Nvidia 7800GS.

    Some I managed to review 3 video cards on my system.

    CPU AMD Athlon XP 3000+
    Memory 1.5GB DDR 400

    Video Card 1: ATI Radeon 9600XT
    Video Card 2: ATI Radeon 9800Pro
    Video Card 3: Nvidia 7800GS

    Running FSX in 1024x768x32, it became clear that CPU is the main limit in my system.
    Going from the 9600XT to the 9800Pro, I saw a significant increase in fps (from 6-8 to 11-12). However the 7800GS, a much more powerful card, did not give me a better framerate. Still in the 11-14 range.

    I was able to scale up the resolution, but the framerate remained under 15 no matter what.
    This leads me to believe my system is CPU limited for FSX. I will be looking at a new system later in the year, waiting for Vista and Direct X 10 to materialize.

    Thanks,
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