Who flies Helos?

Lee198 · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: Who flies Helos?

I'm a dummy with computers, so I don't at the moment do downloads, but I love flying helicopters.
I flew a lot of them in FS9, mainly from disk, but all I've got on FSX are the JetRanger and the Merlin.
I love the Merlin! It's proper awkward to land, but I think of it as good practice!!
Now, before I ask the question, I'd like to say that I also do light aircraft, airliners and military jets with some degree of success.
But...
Anyone else here a helo driver?

Love to hear your experiences.

Lee
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CRJCapt · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject:

I fly the helicopters in FS9 sometimes. Helicopters are great but I find the lack of a trim system fatiguing.

Lee198 · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject:

Agreed. They are hard work, aren't they?

It's so much easier to pilot a fixed wing, but if u wanna sweat, do a helicopter landing!

Thanks for answering, CRJCapt.

I understand ur a real pilot. Lot's of respect. I'd like to think I could do it, but I just don't know yet. I'd love to.

I became a policeman instead. LOL

Lee
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Lee198 · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:

CRJ Capt,

Did you ever fly a Gazelle in FS9?
Wonderful aircraft! Flying race car & stops on a sixpence.
Best helo I've ever flown. I've heard that the real version's pretty much the same.

Lee
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CRJCapt · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:03 am Post subject:

Lee198 · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:08 am Post subject:

Oh, it was. Turned and stopped like you wouldn't believe and accelerated like a racecar.

I was seriously considering marrying it. Laughing

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Lee198 · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:17 am Post subject:

My previous divorce put me off.

(I'm so sorry, that just hit my sense of humour, especially as it's true!)

Puke Up

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ColonelJim · Trainee Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 10

Hi, y'all.
What kind of gear is available to simulate a collective?
I'm completely green at all this, having only just last week commissioned a computer to be built and ordered up some software-FS2004 and FSX-as well as a controller and pedals.

Most of my real world rotor craft flying was forty years ago...well, most of the fixed wing, too.
Thanks for any clues for the newbie.
CJ

basys · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:37 am Post subject:

Hi Folks

re: lack of a trim system / hard work

Someone else could explain this better. Laughing

If you are having to continually apply forward pressure on your cyclic, (joystick),
it means you're pulling too much collective, (your joystick throttle is set way too high).

On the ground,
increase your collective, (throttle), till the torque gauge indicates ~ 40%,
the chopper should now be light on the skids/wheels, (altitude & wind dependent).
Increase torque to adjust altitude, (forward speed will also assist).

You should now be able to fly without applying constant forward cyclic.

For a fuller explanation -
suggest you take a look at the 'AgustaWestland EH101 Flight Notes'
as that gives a good grounding for control in the sim.

Open the 'Learning Center' click the 'Index' tab, pick from there.

HTH
ATB
Paul
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Lee198 · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Gear?

Lee198 · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject:

cthiggin · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:22 am Post subject:

Hello fellow simmers -
Well - I've been into the helio's now for almost 4 months and YES, they're a tough challenge, but, when you can finally hover and fly these rascals, it's just a joy.
I learned so much at www.hovercontrol.com - they are the premier helio simulator site... I downloaded the Jordan Moore 412E Bell and it's just beautiful in comparison to FSX choppers. The VC is marvelous.

BTW, I also thought that my joystick (Logitech Force3D Pro) "needed" another "throttle" for "separate" collective/engine speed - NOT SO - IF the chopper is a turbine with a governor - speed is set, and the throttle changes the pitch of blades, or collective. As the blades are torqued more, the governor automatically adjustes the speed of engine. Man, did I ever get "raked over the coals" by some of the "die-hard" chopper members - BUT, I learned - The Hovercontrol 412 IS a turbine w/governor, so you can just learn to fly.

Finally, you must constantly "Fly a Chopper" - constant cyclic adjustments, collective movement, anti-torque pedals - and it will wear you out.
My next door neighbors are retired military, both husband and wife were chopper pilots, trained at Fort Rucker. I talked to them about the simulator and RW of choppers. Both confirmed that you "fly them ALL of the time" - even though some have AP - Both felt that due to not having the true feeling of movement as in RW, that it probably would be harder to fly in sim since body movements felt will let you compensate "before" you're in trouble, as in hovering etc.

SORRY for the long winded discertation, BUT, I'm having a great time and a wonderful challenge.

cthiggin

Lee198 · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject:

Hey, cthiggin!

Nice to hear from you and some good points made!
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GundamWZero · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:40 am Post subject:

cthiggin · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:03 am Post subject:

GundamWZero
Yes, when I first dl'd the Hovercraft, I could fly about 3 - 5 minutes BEFORE smoke started pouring out of the turbines, then the ground came next.
Through "their" forums and reading Jordan Moore's overview, and suggested sensitivity settings, I have found the Hovercontrol 412 a great "experience" and "challenge" -

First, in FSX, you "HAVE TO" initally start a new flight with a C172, start engines, then change to the Hovercontrol, 412 - THEN, you must open the overhead panel (panel 5), TURN the inverters to on, make sure the battery and generator both are "on"................after that, you can fly for indefinite periods with NO engine problem of any kind.

After you close down the "saved flight" and end FSX or whatever - Hovercontrol 412 does not "remember" that the inverters and generator/battery are on - THIS IS A FSX PROBLEM with the 412 - it works fine in FS9 - But, again, the next time you start up the saved flight, just go to panel 5, turn the invertors/bat/gen to ON, and away you go.

I find that the "412" is the most challenge to fly of any helios' I've flown - I also use HelioForce, free program, that you can set torques etc and save profiles....this has been a great help for me......

In any event, I'm enjoying the heck out of it - and yes, in the beginning, it just sucked until the forum members helped me out.

Good flying,
cthiggin

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