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 Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: Western Star Airlines |
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Hey guys, a new VA called Western Star Airlines has just started up. We are a UK based VA. We are currently building our website so bear with us.
the address is http://www.clix.to/altina (old addy will be changed soon)
If you are interested in contributing at all please email me at thom_pattison@hotmail.com
cheers
Tom Pattison
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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This is not directed only at you, so please don't take offense.
Almost every announcement of a new VA that I have seen here suffers from the following things.
1. They don't have a domain name.
2. They don't have a functional web site.
3. They don't say what makes their VA different or better than the others.
Without those criteria being met, I'm betting that not many people will take them seriously and check them out.
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PAC_Lance
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Person Who IS MAD!!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hey,
Western Star stole my sub-hubs idea. I don't know how but they did. I had sub-hubs before anyone here. But I know you aren't gonna steal the new thing I have coming out. |
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WSA
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hello CrashGordon
you posted the following
1. they don't have a domain name
2. they don't have a functional website
3. they don't say what makes their va different from any others
i will now post this
1. Domain names cost money. Therefore can be a commitment to someone who doesn't have that much free money so maybe someone likes to see if their idea will work first.
2. Good websites take a lot of time to build. Maybe someone just wanted to get an idea of what people thought.
3. No one really seems to say what makes their VA different. Even some of the VA do not say this. All VA run on the same basic principles.
Now i suggest you find out facts first before posting things that can be offensive. People put in a lot of hard work and their time to things like this but you seem to have problem in coming in and destroying it. If you didn't want someone to take offence then why post what you did?
Posistive feedback is more useful than your negetive and offensive comments
Hello Person Who IS MAD!!
No one stole your idea of sub hubs and it is not soley your idea. It is not impossible for more than one person to have the same idea and you cannot stake a claim that is was your idea first because chances are it wasn't. The accusation of someone stealing an idea from you which is not the case is also offensive. Think before you type. |
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clayloch11
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
Sorry about that. I just wanted to let you know. I think your VA is great. I am with you on the post about VA's. That person needs to think. |
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Hello CrashGordon
you posted the following
1. they don't have a domain name
2. they don't have a functional website
3. they don't say what makes their va different from any others
i will now post this
1. Domain names cost money. Therefore can be a commitment to someone who doesn't have that much free money so maybe someone likes to see if their idea will work first.
2. Good websites take a lot of time to build. Maybe someone just wanted to get an idea of what people thought.
3. No one really seems to say what makes their VA different. Even some of the VA do not say this. All VA run on the same basic principles.
Now i suggest you find out facts first before posting things that can be offensive. People put in a lot of hard work and their time to things like this but you seem to have problem in coming in and destroying it. If you didn't want someone to take offence then why post what you did?
Posistive feedback is more useful than your negetive and offensive comments |
So, you are going to announce a new VA. Tell people very little about it. Have a web site that tells them nothing at all.
By the way, do you know how many UK VAs there are? Did you research it? Do you even know how many VAs exist for all areas of the world?
Let me give you an example. A guy opens a novelty tee shirt store on a street. Everyone loves the tee shirts and he makes a fortune. Pretty soon another guy sees this and opens another novelty tee shirt store. Things are still pretty good for both of them. Now another opens, and another, untill the street is lined with stores selling the same thing and they all go broke.
In other words, unless you can tell people that what you are contemplating is better/different than all the other VAs on the street, you won't be making things better. You'll be making things worse.
You chose to be offended by what I said. That's sad. I was trying to show you the reality of things.
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Greekman72
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Let me give you an example. A guy opens a novelty tee shirt store on a street. Everyone loves the tee shirts and he makes a fortune. Pretty soon another guy sees this and opens another novelty tee shirt store. Things are still pretty good for both of them. Now another opens, and another, untill the street is lined with stores selling the same thing and they all go broke. |
Great simple example in order to show the markets updown movements... 
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WSA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: |
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FYI extensive research has been done and am very aware of the reality of things. You just need to think a bit more before mounting your high horse and riding around. You are basing your comments on assumptions of people you know nothing about. Also i has been stated that is is still in development so of course things are not fully up and running.
By the way don't stoup to calling someone sad. Its not needed and speaks volumes about you. Last time i heard that word used like that was in school. Most people on forums are nice helpful people who offer positive comments but sometimes i have the misfortune of meeting others who jump into criticism without thought for others. Of course people will take offence. If you walk up to someone and imediatly criticise them then of course they will take offense. It is obvious. You must be living in a dream world if you thinik they won't. |
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Greekman72
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I dont wat to put myself between you dear WSA and CrashGordon.You both dont need lawyers and defenders.The only notice i would like to do ,if im allowed to, is to please keep this interesting conversation in a level which will provide a result in order all of us learm something.
If this topic turns to a personal fight the only result will be anger,misunderstanding and total mess.
Since i know CrashGordon for some time but also as i can figure out from the way you write and think,im sure that you both can handle your desagreement in a decent level.
Please show it to us cause i dont want to see the topic locked and without final result.
Friendly and apologise for stick my nose between you and my friend CrashGordon. 
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CrashGordon
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It's okay, Greekman. I'm definitely withdrawing from this conversation.
I simply don't have time for those not interested in truth, logic or reality. In the future, I'll ignore announcements of VAs that have no fleet, no routes, no reporting mechanism and no clue.
I wonder how many of these announcements of "new" VAs are by folks who just want to be CEO, rather than working their way up by flying and learning how a VA works..
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Grash I think your right, it's all about supply and demand and at the moment I think the supply of VA's is out weighing the demand.
Most people I talk to are saying more & more VA's are closing down very very quickly for the simple reason, they don't have the pilots.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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...and yet again crash is making assumptions about things he knows noting about. You cannot accuse without evidence. It is not a question of truth logic or reality. It is a question of defending ones own work against the arrogent assumptions made by those sat very safely behind computer screens thinking they run the show and what they say goes. Crash, you have no idea of my experience and so don't jump to conclusions, it's definatly not healthy.
I suggest that you look closely at what you have written and maybe you'll find out that it is 90% incorrect and the other 10% is just you contradicting yourself. |
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Greekman72
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Seems that i was talking and pleased a wall... 
What a big dissapointment... 
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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...and yet again crash is making assumptions about things he knows noting about. You cannot accuse without evidence. It is not a question of truth logic or reality. It is a question of defending ones own work against the arrogent assumptions made by those sat very safely behind computer screens thinking they run the show and what they say goes. Crash, you have no idea of my experience and so don't jump to conclusions, it's definatly not healthy.
I suggest that you look closely at what you have written and maybe you'll find out that it is 90% incorrect and the other 10% is just you contradicting yourself. |
Okay, if it is a food fight you want. The original post told me nothing besides that it was a UK VA. What made it different or better than all the other UK VAs is still unknown. Yeah, I'm going to want to join that really quick before they run out of pilot slots. 
Subsequent posts revealed that $9 for a domain registration and $4/month for a host for the site was a strain on the budget. Wow, now I am really impressed and can't wait to join. 
Last, your statement that my jumping to conclusions is unhealthy is ridiculous. What I think of your endeavor has no impact on the state of my health whatever. Or was that a puerile attempt at making a threat?
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