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Concorde105
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Ah yes, Cheeks. Okay.
Correction on my earlier post,
I just use the chords. No tabbing or anything. Just the chord names.
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Traches
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Did ya ever get this one figured out? It is a good song, but seems like the guitar only is significant in the beginning!
And BTW, tabs do have their value... Yes, they are completely useless if you don't already know what the song should sound like, but they are good for helping to learn technique and can help with learning to play by ear.
Of course I'm not saying that there's no need to learn to read music, but for a beginning to intermediate guitarist, playing with tabs and by ear is sufficient. A guitar tends to be an informal instrument  |
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walesdragon
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Still haven't figured it out yet, and my main computer is trashed and I cannot view videos on my laptop. I don't even know what the song is called. I really like the guitar, too, and yes it is only a short time but I'd love to learn it. I think tabs are very useful and one of the things that helped me become a much better player was a program called guitar pro. It's fantastic and is a must have if you play guitar or bass. Traches, If you play guitar, you should consider buying it.
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Tailhook
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| Well I've been playing guitar and bass on and off, for about 12 years or so, although drums are my prefered instrument, why not just try play along with the music? Just keep practising it over and over till you get it down pat. |
Exciting stuff this.. not trying to have a go at you Warlord but your 'practicing over and over' idea works well with something like 'Smoke On The Water'.
Jethro Tull's 'Living In The Past'  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VjPPuias1k will remain a mystery forever (I'm talking bass) unless you're as accomplished a player as Glenn Cornick.
I was lucky to find the bass notation in an old song book-it turned out that every note was correct-problem was I was unaccustomed to reading the bass clef so it was counting the ledger lines and writing the names of the notes below the printed ones. Then... of course you must play in the correct position otherwise you won't get your fingers around the relentless onslaught of notes.
Just found this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eprTvhnps98 ...this guy does a hell of a good job, I think he missed only two notes. Watching his fingers really illustrates the intricacies of the progressions. In a studio recording of this kind there is no room for improvisation - a single wrong note will stick out like a sore thumb. Wanna have a go? 
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| Dude.. don't rely on tabs for answers... tabs only tell you where to put your fingers, they don't tell you HOW to play the song. Take it from this 15+ year veteran bass player... learn to read sheet music. It will come in more handy in the long run and make you way more valuable as a guitarist than the next guy. |
In principle I certainly agree with you Bel, nothing beats real proficiency in being able to read sheet music. But until you get there, the TAB system can actually keep you from quitting. Point in case: Travis Picking and similar styles are very difficult to read in standard notation - to have a TAB available as well really makes it so much easier. Peter Paul & Mary recorded many songs in which two guitars would pick a different pattern and in different positions (with the aid of Capos most of the time), here's an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfsW2esX3RE - to the untrained ear it sounds like one guitar and a double bass but of course there are two guitars clashing in lovely patterns. To play this stuff with another guitarist friend in harmony takes a bit of an effort, but again, the TAB really helps.
BTW, have you ever read Flamenco notation?  Here too, I'll settle for the TAB.
BUT: In order to learn classical guitar pieces properly you must be able to read music. Period.
On the other end of the spectrum we have guitar music that offers itself for improvisation. My guess is that more jazz musicians can read music than blues guitarists. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of the black masters of Delta and Chicago Blues never learned to read music. (I'm excluding some of the great black piano pioneers here).
Looking at the white cats such as Eric Clapton... he might have taught himself reading over the years but I'm just guessing. In his earlier days he couldn't read and despite his wizardry on one hand and the one-note approach on the other, he has actually a limited left-hand technique because he doesn't use his pinky.
He does use his pinky when he uses a slide like in Robert Johnson's Walkin' Blues (Unpliugged Album) - an absolute masterpiece - the snaps, the taps, the roughness, the refinement... I wanted to play it just like him, got the song book and despite my classical training I don't think I could have mustered the patience relying on standard notation. The TAB again got me on my way and though Clapton plays this in a simple open G-Tuning, I had to watch the DVD over and over to get some of the nuances right. I'm aware that one doesn't have to play a number of that category note by note - but that's what I wanted to do, mainly to learn some of the tricks of one of the masters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWhFFvbYPs
Check out this dude while we're at it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ez_y3yE24
Now that's what I admire, I could never do this ... he plays completely by ear, standard tuning, nylon string guitar, without a slide and does a damn good job.
That's the beauty about the guitar. Depending on what kind of music or noise you wanna make, it can reward you instantly. On the other hand I can't think of any other instrument with such versatility and the ability to produce so many different sounds.
I will shut up now. Promise
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belgeode
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I'm with Tailhook on that... Wise old man once said... there are many paths up the mountain.
Your job, find the one that works FOR YOU!
I am just glad to have gotten back into music myself... For a while there I felt DEAD.
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