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UFOs and Aviation - A Closer Look

Last updated Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:34:28 GMT
Originally posted on Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:49:31 GMT

Avrocar in flightOn the evening of October 21st, 1978, a 20-year-old pilot named Frederick Valentich left Melbourne in a Cessna 182L bound for King Island, sitting in the middle of the Bass Strait south of Australia. Visibility was fine and the wind was blowing easy.

Roswell daily record newspaper 1947

Image showing the front page of the Roswell Daily Record on the morning of July 8th, 1947.  The story covers the Roswell incident.

Shortly after, he contacted Melbourne air traffic control and said that an aircraft was following him about 1000 feet above—it had unusual features and was moving very quickly—and he could not identify it very well. He also said his engine was running rough at times.

Later he said the strange craft was coming at him from another direction. He began to feel the pilot was playing around with him. Melbourne ATC asked him to identify it. His response was that it was travelling too fast but it had a shiny metal surface with a green light on it. Then he said the craft was coming at him from another direction. He reported more engine problems.

Then silence.

Within a few seconds he reported in, “That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again. It is hovering and it's not an aircraft!” This was followed by strange metallic scraping noises.

Frederick Valentich and his Cessna 182L were never seen again.

UFO sighting in Auckland, NZ

Image of a UFO sighting in Auckland, New Zealand in 2010 - showing a triangular object.

Emergency flights combed the area but not one little trace of the plane was ever found. Some said it crashed into the Strait. But that model Cessna was equipped with a beacon that would have clicked on automatically on crashing. Also, it was designed to float on water.

Many possible scenarios surround the Valentich case. Did he stage an elaborate suicide? Was he downed by drug smugglers in the area?

Or was an entire airplane and its pilot abducted by extra-terrestrials?

Pilots are Credible Witnesses

UFO’s have been reported by pilots for years. Many UFOlogists point out that pilots are some of the most credible witnesses supporting the position that UFO’s exist. In the 1979 documentary “UFO’s Are Real” prominent UFO researcher Dr. Richard Haines said that due to the fact that pilots have good eyesight and trained skills of observation, their testimony of repeated sightings over the years cannot be ignored.

“We are not dealing with mental projections or hallucinations on the part of the witness, but with the real physical phenomenon,” he said.

He is not talking about a few random occurrences. The evidence is deep:

  • Ray Bowyer, an Aurigny Airlines captain, had a 15 minute encounter while flying a commercial flight. He described two objects following his plane: flattened disk shapes with brilliant yellow light coming from within. He estimated them to be one mile across. Many passengers saw them as well.
  • Kenneth Arnold, a private pilot and businessman, was flying over Washington’s Cascade Mountains in 1947 when he spotted nine crescent shaped, silvery objects near Mr. Rainier. They were skimming along, dipping “like a saucer would if you skipped it across water.” Ever since then we’ve called UFOs flying saucers.
  • In 1986, a Japan Air Lines flight en route from Iceland to Anchorage, Alaska encountered white and yellow lights darting in and around the airplane. Later the flight crew observed a giant silhouette of what appeared to be a mothership. Before they could get confirmation from nearby airplanes, the ship was gone. reports that there are more than 3,500 documented sightings of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena by commercial, civilian and military pilots. The sightings date from the very first days of flight right through to today.

Most People Believe in UFO’s

Are they seeing things? Research indicates most people believe we are not alone.

Image of UFO in Sheffield, UK and Minneapolis, USA

Two UFO sightings in the 1960s.  The top image shows a sighting over Sheffield, England on the 4th March 1962 while the bottom image shows a sighting over Minneapolis, Minnesota on the 20th October 1960.

  • A 2007 poll by the Exopolitics Institute in Hawaii found that 85% of respondents “believe that extraterrestrial civilizations are visiting the earth.”
  • In a 2002 Roper Poll, 56% of Americans agreed that UFO’s are real and 48% believe UFO’s have visited Earth in some form.
  • A Canadian poll found 78% of Canadians believe that life exists somewhere else in our universe.
  • 48% of the respondents in a 1996 Newsweek poll said they thought that UFO’s were real. 

Did you know that every year thousands and thousands of UFO sightings are reported? Studies show that about a third of the populace believes that at least a portion of the sightings can be attributed to extraterrestrial spacecraft.

But are aliens real? Seth Shostack, a senior astronomer at the SETI Inst. is doubtful. He writes in the Huffington Post: “It's hardly likely to amaze you, but I'm skeptical. I don't think the evidence laid on the table as proof of extraterrestrial visitation is compelling, and I certainly don't buy the argument that better evidence (in fact, all the really good evidence) has somehow been collected by the governments of the world and stacked up in secret storage lockers.”

MFO’s: Man-Made Flying Objects

There’s something else. Unidentified Flying Objects are just that: unidentified flying objects—they can be anything. Wired Magazine reported on the dizzying array of stuff the U.S. has in the air that could be mistaken as extraterrestrials checking us out up close and personal. 

From the flying saucer looking VZ–9 Avrocar from the 1950’s, to the T-Hawk lightweight drone from Honeywell nick-named the “flying beer can,” to spy blimps the size of football fields, many UFOs might in fact be man-made flying objects.

  • The Avrocar was a joint Canadian/American attempt to create the equivalent of an actual flying saucer. After 10 years the project was scrapped.
  • The Honeywell T-Hawk “Flying Beer Can” mini-drone hovers in the air performing reconnaissance for the Army.
  • The Northrop Grumman SHIELD Helicarrier is a huge floating data center. The length of a football field and seven stories tall, it carries 2500 pounds of data sensors and intelligence gathering equipment.
  • The Voltron drone hangs in the air for 5 years! Running on solar power, it is one of several proposals for a future project of DARPA, the Pentagon’s research branch.  
  • In the 1930’s, the Navy commissioned a prototype airplane nick-named “The Flying Flapjack.” It looked like a flattish flying saucer with two giant propellers. It could climb to 5000 feet and specialized in slow speed flying.

With all that hardware from the U.S. military floating around over the years, it’s easy to see how some of it could be mistaken for a UFO. And that’s just the American stuff. Add in Russian (and now Chinese) flying metal and you have some shiny objects distracting pilots.

Blackhawk Up

It’s hard not to believe a UFO has intelligent life when it almost knocks you out of the sky. That’s what happened to Lt. Colonel Lawrence Coyne and his helicopter crew. They were flying over Mansfield, Ohio in 1973 when they encountered a large red object which moved toward them rapidly. Lt. Coyne said later it looked like a “locked-on missile.”

He cut the power and put the chopper in a steep dive to avoid impact. A green light appeared on the underside of the object. Despite trying to drop, the helicopter was pulled upward around 2000 feet higher than its original position. Eventually, it let go.

“It was almost a mid-air collision with what we consider to be a UFO,” said Dr. Coyne. He said the object had a high degree of technology, was composed of a structure and design that we do not have--it had no stabilizers, no landing gear or any visible source of propulsion.

Lt. Coyne felt so strongly about this experience he joined a delegation to the United Nations to encourage the organization to look further into the topic of UFO’s. However, many pilots are not so open. Many will not even report a sighting.

UFO, Passoria, New Jersey

Image showing a UFO sighting over image Passoria, New Jersey in the early 60s.

Code of Silence

Kenneth Arnold grew weary of the controversy around his sighting. He stated that if he ever saw anything like it again, he wouldn’t say a word. In one 1940’s era survey, an Air Force pilot said that he wouldn’t report a UFO sighting even if it was flying wing-tip to wing-tip with him.

Nick Pope, who used to run the UFO project for Britain, said pilots often won’t report cases because they don’t know how to describe it, or fear it could end their career, he told Coast to Coast radio. He said there are 200-300 UFO reports every year and that 80% could be easily explained, 15% had insufficient data and the rest were “extremely interesting.”

Maybe you loosen up after retirement from the service. That might explain the press conference called in September 2010 by 7 retired Air Force officers. Held at the National Press

Club in Washington, D.C., the officers related that they had seen UFO’s make U.S. nuclear systems “temporarily inoperable” during the cold war.

Robert Hastings, a well-known UFO researcher, put together the event. "The possession and threatened use of nuclear weapons potentially threatens the human race and the integrity of the planetary bargain." said Hastings (Wired 9/10).

Although Hastings did not serve in the military, he enlisted the help of Robert Salas, retired Air Force launch officer. Together they tracked down a cadre of airmen who had very similar stories, taking place from 1963 to 1980: alien ships of various shapes (conical, spherical, disc-shaped) appeared to them at U.S. nuclear missile sites. The common theme?  When the aliens got close, all the missiles stopped reacting to directions from the airmen.

Robert Jamison claimed 10 of his missiles “suddenly went off-line” in 1967 at Malmstrom Air Force base in Montana. This took place as stories circulated of aliens visiting the area. A security guard reported that two small red lights in the distance appeared and began to close in on them.

Hastings was philosophical about the news conference.  “I don’t think humankind is in jeopardy from whoever they are or whatever they are, except that we will have our minds expanded,” he said. “There will be a paradigm shift. Traditional institutions such as religions, governments, other social institutions may be threatened by what is coming. That is just the logical consequence of what is about to occur.”

Extra-Terrestrials No Threat

Seth Shostack says that he has no problem if you believe in UFO’s and extraterrestrials. In his view, even if they are real we may not be in much danger:

“…I'm not here to argue with you. I'd like to make a different point -- one that somehow seems to have escaped notice in the seemingly endless debate about UFOs. Namely, if the aliens are here, you have to admit something remarkable: They're about as harmless as kittens on Xanax.

Consider: The premise is that Earth is being visited. But are these invaders a mortal threat? You can read occasional claims that aliens are mutilating our cattle (a decidedly unwelcome pastime, if true), but homicide seems to be off limits for ET. They don't kill people. Your chances of being snuffed by a moose are higher.”

It’s food for thought.  Aliens have done more damage to the Earth in Hollywood movies than anything in real life. It begs the question. Why? Maybe they are just toying with us. It could be that Earth is simply a backwater to them, a mud puddle in the great neighborhood of the galaxy, a down-and-out block that gives them license to fly in, flash some lights, honk the horn and speed away, like 21st century punks.

One thing is for sure. If a pilot sees a UFO, the chances are good he will not report it.

Except to another pilot.

In an on-line forum recently a government document was discussed—it said that pilots could not share any information regarding UFO’s or face a $10,000 fine. One forum poster confided that he felt around 90% of pilots had some type of experience with UFO’s but chose not to speak about it.

Another poster may have summed it up best: “I think that any person who cannot comprehend that the vastness of space is teeming with different forms of life is truly living with their head in the sand. 200 years ago, we had zero technology, today it's everywhere. To expect that other life in the billions of years past have no technology, or ability to travel, is naive at best.”

So, are UFOs real?

USAF Avrocar

Image shows the USAF Avrocar, or as it's correctly know - the Avro Canada VZ-9AV Avrocar.  This was the closest thing to the well known "flying saucer" craft that was ever developed by terrestrial intelligence.

Several studies have concluded that the majority of UFOs are observations of some real but common and normal objects: astronomical objects such as meteors; balloons, aircraft, nacreous clouds or noctilucent clouds. A small fraction of the UFOs sightings have been reported to be hoaxes. Nevertheless, with these incorrect reports excluded, a considerable percentage of the UFO sightings and reports remain unexplained – and these are indeed ‘unidentified’ flying objects in the strict sense of the word.

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Leslie WolfFri, 30 Sep 2011 07:17:09 GMT

My theory is the possibility that UFOs are humans from our own future having learned to travel backward through time-travel and merely observing us momentarily, and then moving backward or forwards into another time. 

Perhaps the energy or power within the time-craft itself could affect the controls and the behavior of the reporting aircraft.

CarlFri, 30 Sep 2011 12:30:59 GMT

It would be both ignorant and egotistical to think that we as humans are the grand and superior species and that there is nothing of supremely higher intelligence. Of course, we are not alone! Extraterrestrials have been visiting us for generations.

Remember Easter Island, Stonehenge and the Bermuda Triangle? Ask any pilot who has traversed the triangle and see the fear and respect in their eyes. Truth is stranger than fiction and no matter what your religious belief, we didn't just get here and we didn't get our technologies out of thin air. The information has been gifted to us over time as we were ready; we just have to hope the human race has enough foresight not to destroy our magnificent planet out of greed, stupidity, and ego. After all, we don't own it; we are renters if you will and have the responsibility to give it back at least as we received it, if not better.

So, if we are lucky enough to be visited again by beings of superior intelligence, let us hope that they will share their information and technologies with us so we can survive the insane madness of our own creation.

Let us welcome them with open arms, instead of hostility.

WanerFri, 30 Sep 2011 13:02:54 GMT

Pretty interesting article but the Northrop Grumman SHIELD Helicarrier and the Voltron drone aren't real yet.

The article makes it seem that they are already flying.



David PFri, 30 Sep 2011 13:35:21 GMT

What?? That green triangular winged object is a leaf!

Todd BredaFri, 30 Sep 2011 15:03:15 GMT

The sheer amount of evidence and testimony collected from military, commercial and private pilots alone over the past 70 years (not to mention police officers, lawyers, judges, the list goes on and on) is enough to prove that UFOs are real.

The question is, what are they? Personally, I believe there's more than one answer. Some are non-human intelligence with technology vastly superior to ours and some are currently unknown plasma/earth energies, some are highly kept secret military black project craft and some are likely misidentified.

I also believe there has been a massive cover-up by our government/military since Roswell concerning the truth about the non-human intelligence behind some of these UFO sightings.

I am hopeful that I may live to see the disclosure in my lifetime.

ashFri, 30 Sep 2011 16:30:14 GMT

@leslie wolf - I don't think that's possible because if humans did actually learn to time travel back in time, it would only be possible for them to travel back to when the time machine was first created and was operational, and not a second before that.

I think that aliens visiting this planet just to observe the other species in the universe is much more of a possibility then time travelling planes.

jmhansonFri, 30 Sep 2011 18:17:31 GMT

Hi all,

I do believe in UFOs and as for the explanation: They are us from the future - I am unsure of that one, however, I do feel that they are so far advanced as to consider us unworthy of contact because we have not yet learned to live by peaceful means.

joe thompsonFri, 30 Sep 2011 19:55:24 GMT

This was a great article and I believe that the possible life on other worlds is a no brainer!


Edwin SapatschFri, 30 Sep 2011 21:45:15 GMT

Taking into consideration the enormous diversity of life forms, past & present, that have evolved on this small planet it stands to reason that life has evolved elsewhere in our ginormous universe.

Whether life forms have and do visit us regularly is debatable. In our meager, short journeys scientifically or physically through our own solar system in search of life, it would be contrary to the exploration to find unique diverse life forms then leave without studying them.

mitchFri, 30 Sep 2011 22:58:07 GMT

The movie planet of the apes with Charlton Heston is what sums a lot of it up. Consider if you traveled at the speed of light to the nearest star system and back, the crew would experience time much differently then us.

A few years for them would be thousands if not millions of years for us on earth. It is very possible that earth has produced civilizations before that may have reached the ability to travel at the speed of light and did leave the planet and are now back. It would explain the lack of aggression by a race that could easily defeat the current planetary defense.

Steeve RSat, 01 Oct 2011 05:30:46 GMT

I'm deadly sure that there are aliens here on Earth collecting information, doing experiments as we do on animals. Most governments are aware of the matter but to avoid any panic, there is the code of silence.

All these witnesses are not stupid to recognize something different from the usual aircraft. The aliens have been visiting us for decades, you can hear the same story from different civilizations that, one day, God came from heaven and landed.

You can also see the different pictures made by the primitives in the cavern all around the world. There is no worse blind man than the one who doesn't want to see.

Journeyer58Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:31:47 GMT

There is an explanation for sightings but as of yet, they're "unidentified" hence the term. I am of the opinion that people can be deceived by images of unknown origin. Pilots are without doubt seeing something but what it is I cannot explain not having had the pleasure or pain of seeing something of unknown or unidentified origin.

There is little doubt that something exists which when "identified" will cause a furore of debate. But certainly, at this time I reserve judgement as to what that something might be. Yet, we do know one thing: there is a cover-up of whatever this thing or things are.

The governments of the world would not go to these lengths to cover-up a known object or would they? These questions must be answered sooner or later, yet for now, they remain unanswered.

The reason they remain unanswered is for the governments of the world to justify.

VMon, 03 Oct 2011 07:10:33 GMT

The fact is that life does exist beyond our sight and imagination. If anyone of you has ever read Indian mythological texts which were written a few thousand years ago, there are precise descriptions of the life forms beyond just humans. Also, Jainism has a complete section describing the geographical aspects of the universe along with complete distances, the life forms, the appearance of these life forms, etc... and to imagine that these texts were written thousands of years ago when we are sure that today's technology did not exist. There is an European author who has translated these texts in to English.

We believe that we have advanced technologically but to look at it, these technologies and many more existed in the Indian subcontinent hundreds of years ago but they were slowly put under control and slowly eradicated to stop the misuse and to avert threat to human existence.

Even in Egyptian history, all the gods are said to have come in flying boats. Until now, we are still mystified about their ways of life and the culture that they had at that period of time. The construction of the pyramids, the making of paper from papyrus, the agricultural advances, etc. were all ahead of their time considering the state of the civilization at that point of time.

Our history shows many instances, where civilizations have changed and evolved in a very short span on time. This also coincides with the historical notings of gods coming down in flying ships and teaching the art to people. This topic has no end and the discussions and arguments could go on and on, it is just a matter of how open one is to analyze all the theories without a bias opinion.

HAVIESat, 08 Oct 2011 13:17:41 GMT

IF WE ALL BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN IS BOUND BY ONLY EARTHLY LAWS OF SCIENCE then why do scientists tell us and prove to us that we are all shallow minded and should think outside the box?

Time and space exist even if the clock and the telescope hadn't been invented. If the Earth didn't exist, the universe would!

Man was once told that flight was impossible; physics tells us that anything is possible people, so why not little grey men in their flying machines?

juraj dudasWed, 09 Nov 2011 11:12:29 GMT

I'd like to send you a document of proof photographs of supernatural existence, even photos of aliens.

David LuncefordMon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:46 GMT

Didn't Bob Hope do a lot of UFO Shows during WWII?

Connor HaubenreiserFri, 09 Nov 2012 23:18:48 GMT

The AvroCar is simply AMAZING! I saw it in person, decommissioned of course, in Daton, Ohio. It's at the Airforce Museum. Go and check it out! It's worth the trip. They also Have the only XB-70 Valkarie in existance along with so many more amazing planes.

JetboyrdibMon, 14 Jan 2013 22:49:37 GMT

I myself have witnessed a UFO type incident in the California skies in the late 90s and I wasn't alone. Of course I was a skeptic at the time. What struck me with a profound memory is that a day or two after observing it, I approached my Father a very high ranking ,intelligent, sane, individual (I think)who has spent his life serving the Marine corps, and this Country, Pentagon,White house etc.

I very discreetly asked him, because with his level of exposure he would know, "Dad are UFOs real"? He suddenly got this strange look on his face,and there was this odd pause, he then looked me straight in the eyes with all the confidence in the world and said "yes".

Oddly he then just turned back to his paper and never spoke another word of it. Being older I now know that he wasn't necessarily saying little green men are real, but that some stuff in the sky just cant be identified, or was he? This is why I am not a skeptic anymore but more of an aware looker who went into Aerospace.

SkepatTue, 11 Jun 2013 21:55:30 GMT

This is a response to all the comments here and not the article in itself.

Starting off with a light-hearted observation: I like the way ash corrects Lesley and tells her that time travel to today’s age is not possible because even “if humans did actually learn to time travel back in time, it would only be possible for them to travel back to when the time machine was first created and was operational”, mind-blown I ask ash, how do you know this? What machine’s instruction book are you actually reading? Could there have been any latest firmware updates? And why can’t one be invented that would take you to earlier times? Are you just basing these claims on a science-fiction story? Can you confirm a machine has not already been invented? If there is a possibility of little green men being kept in secret, why can’t time machines also be subjected to strict governmental secrecy rules?

Of course the time travelling theory is preposterous, not because time travelling machines haven’t been invented yet, but because time travel is extremely unlikely and there are more likely explanations for the observed phenomena.

It’s quite interesting to see that, presumably due to the influences of Hollywood and TV, most extraterrestrial sightings were initially of little green men and they are now predominantly longer and greyer. This to me shows how susceptible the human brain is to deceive itself. Most of these sightings could be attributed to confirmation bias where a human being subconsciously represents outside phenomena to be that which he beliefs in therefore confirming the beliefs. This explains the phenomena of pareidolia of which an example of is seeing Jesus in toast.

As for governmental secrecy: I don’t know what governments’ would gain from maintaining knowledge of aliens secret, I have heard so many conspiracy theories that a war on terror, war on drugs, governments performing black-flag ops and all of it in order to scare the population into submission, but when it comes to little green men, the opposite is apparently true. From a conspiracy point of view, would it not be much easier for a government to take all the freedoms of a nation/planet and control us by scaring everyone with the threat of an intergalactic war?

Just because something is not recognisable or identifiable doesn't mean it is extraterrestrial; many of the phenomena could be explained by nature or may be part of covert military machinery which we don’t know exists, is that not a much probable cause? Or am I just being too realistic here? Is it better to live in dreamland and “know” these little men exist just because you want the myth to be true?

To claim that the similarities of various mythologies in different lands and times are evidence that these civilisations must have been visited and interfered in a similar way is another example of confirmation bias.

There often is a more reasonable and clearer medical, psychological or physical explanation. One example which is my favourite is sleep paralysis: I have personally suffered from sleep paralysis and while there are different degrees, my episode was pretty mild and I considered myself to be pretty lucid at the time, the feelings were still very intense and real. I felt the presence in my room of evil beings with the intention to harm me, I was paralysed and unable to move or talk and it felt like something was pushing down on my chest. I felt like time was being slowed down and then I felt like I was moving at the speed of light into an unknown place before fully awakening and regaining control of my body. My experiences of sleep paralysis are entirely consistent with some reports of alien abductions, the mare in Scandinavian folklore, Nigeria’s “devil on your back” of Thailand’s Phi Am. Sleep paralysis however is a very real and medically explainable sleep condition. No aliens, no devil on my back, no Phi Am.

Using Indian mythology – or any kind of mythology for that matter – as evidence of life’s existence “beyond our sight and imagination” or prove of any kind of supernaturalism is kind of lame; I could use what I call “modern mythology” to prove that magic is real and an underworld of magicians exists, how seriously would people take my Harry Potter evidence? Mythology is just that, the wild imagination of our ancestors, maybe inspired or fuelled by physical or psychological experiences. Same thing goes for the planet of the apes’ example, which is just science fiction!!

Fact is our past civilizations were not really “ahead of their time”; the tools and methods which raised the pyramids of Giza and erected Stonehenge are extremely simplified applications of basic physics which we now taken for granted. Even though it is still breathtaking to look at these great constructions and be in awe at men’s ingenuity and ability, I could show you videos of a man erecting a replica of Stonehenge in his back garden, on his own, with just planks of wood and in a few weeks.

The fact that we can advance our technologies so fast and to such a degree of high standards of quality is because we already have basis for that technology from the past and we don’t have to constantly reinvent the wheel or the knowledge of gears and pulleys.

No one really believes we are bound by the “earthly laws of science”, science aims to make sense of what is observed and the “laws” are a representation of what we see is true, they are not comparable to the laws set forth by a government (Which can be changed too anyway). Scientists go out of their ways to try and prove their theories – and that of other scientists – wrong, not because they are evil but because in doing so, they are fixing and further improving the accuracy of science.

I am not sure where you got the “Man was once told that flight was impossible”, who told us? And since flight was observable in nature well before man flew, we can safely presume that man KNEW that flight was possible, even if man suspected they would never achieve it for themselves. The same cannot be said for time travel or travel at the speed of light as we have not observed them in nature! Can science claim it to be extremely improbable? Sure.

As for being open minded: Yes, I don’t allow unsubstantiated claims to cloud my judgement and I always seek to find the truth. If any compelling evidence that aliens exist does make its way to me I will not need to believe in little green men, I will know they exist!

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